Twice...
Well, as crappy as that is, I think this counts as a callout thread, so you should probably not have those names visible in the least.
On a side note, if you need gear drops from PUG dungeon runs, you should ask a friend or guild mate to just quickly run you through.
My mentality is, everyone in the PUG gets to Roll on treasure, if your RNG permits then you win, if not, try again.
My mentality is, everyone in the PUG gets to Roll on treasure, if your RNG permits then you win, if not, try again.
My mentality is, everyone in the PUG gets to Roll on treasure, if your RNG permits then you win, if not, try again.
I agree, but then there's the saying "Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD." It's kinda tasteless to roll on stuff you don't need, especially if its BoP (because if it wasn't BoP, they could use it for an alt, perhaps).
One can use the same type of gear to enchant. If you have spare metal guile chest pieces, you can enchant your own metal chest piece. I think this is what happened here. He/She probably has an alt that wants to gear up, and thats why he rolled for the chest piece. Regardless of the motive, i understand it is infuriating and frustrating to see some random person, fully geared, rolling on stuff that he/she does not need anymore. Would had been polite from this person if he rolled on the box, and passed on the second one. Well that is just wishful thinking knowing how are the majority of pugs.
And callouts are not allowed.
And callouts are not allowed.
I have a question.
Since I didn't play anymore I don't know how you enchant with gear.
Can you dismantle a 0 feedstock gear into something else or how do you enchat a gear with another gear of the same kind?
Since I didn't play anymore I don't know how you enchant with gear.
Can you dismantle a 0 feedstock gear into something else or how do you enchat a gear with another gear of the same kind?
I have a question.
Since I didn't play anymore I don't know how you enchant with gear.
Can you dismantle a 0 feedstock gear into something else or how do you enchat a gear with another gear of the same kind?
When you enchant, just above feedstock icon there are two options, "feedstock" or "gear", if you press "gear" you can enchant item and instead of feedstocks and alkahest you pay one +0 item of the same kind, it's good for saving some feedstocks at higher enchants, it's usable up to +12. However, enchant chance for next attempt will be not increased using this method.
It's the same as people rolling on VM8 mats where they won't make it anyways or they don't deserve it because they don't play their class right. Guess everytime someone rolls on my stuff I'll make a post about it rather than move on cause internet people just don't care and do whatever they want cause they are unhappy with their life.
You can blame BHS and their moronic decision to remove dismantling from the game.
You can blame BHS and their moronic decision to remove dismantling from the game.
Not sure how that makes sense since now you have 0 reason as a geared person to roll on gear other than for alts, or to be a [filtered], which eventually get geared. Before, you would always roll on the gear even if all your characters were geared meaning you had less chances of gearing in pugs. Just because a handful of people roll on the gear for no reason doesn't change that.
Just let people do what they want, real childish to call them out on forums.
Blame your [filtered] rng.
Blame your [filtered] rng.
You can blame BHS and their moronic decision to remove dismantling from the game.
Not sure how that makes sense since now you have 0 reason as a geared person to roll on gear other than for alts, or to be a [filtered], which eventually get geared. Before, you would always roll on the gear even if all your characters were geared meaning you had less chances of gearing in pugs. Just because a handful of people roll on the gear for no reason doesn't change that.
Who do you think is more likely to pass on an item/48 or less? The guy in full vm8 +15 or the guy in +9 guile? And which one of them do you think has no reason to queue for LK NM and stuff any more?
You can blame BHS and their moronic decision to remove dismantling from the game.
Not sure how that makes sense since now you have 0 reason as a geared person to roll on gear other than for alts, or to be a [filtered], which eventually get geared. Before, you would always roll on the gear even if all your characters were geared meaning you had less chances of gearing in pugs. Just because a handful of people roll on the gear for no reason doesn't change that.
Who do you think is more likely to pass on an item/48 or less? The guy in full vm8 +15 or the guy in +9 guile? And which one of them do you think has no reason to queue for LK NM and stuff any more?
People in VM+15 were still rolling on gear for the feedstock. Lets not pretend everyone that is loaded mostly got there by being generous. Currently if they go there, they have little to no reason to roll on the gear other than to troll, or an alt as I said. Bring back the fact gear gives feedstock and they would roll whether someone needs it or not. There was frequent complaints during the AI patch when people abused quieing as a raid to take advantage of the randoms that used IMS for gear. Why does it even matter if someone in +9 rolls on it anyways, it's still being used for something, Gear Enchanting, like feedstock was but only in a way that benefits newer people only.
It also doesn't matter if you have no reason to que those dungeons, some still do anyways due to how easy it is to do anyways. Not everyone that even has VM+15 even got it from RMHM and can't even clear it either.
Maybe he's gearing an alt that happens to be the exact same class lol
So what? he's in his rights to do so, it's just a d*** move
You can blame BHS and their moronic decision to remove dismantling from the game.
Not sure how that makes sense since now you have 0 reason as a geared person to roll on gear other than for alts, or to be a [filtered], which eventually get geared. Before, you would always roll on the gear even if all your characters were geared meaning you had less chances of gearing in pugs. Just because a handful of people roll on the gear for no reason doesn't change that.
Who do you think is more likely to pass on an item/48 or less? The guy in full vm8 +15 or the guy in +9 guile? And which one of them do you think has no reason to queue for LK NM and stuff any more?
People in VM+15 were still rolling on gear for the feedstock. Lets not pretend everyone that is loaded mostly got there by being generous. Currently if they go there, they have little to no reason to roll on the gear other than to troll, or an alt as I said. Bring back the fact gear gives feedstock and they would roll whether someone needs it or not. There was frequent complaints during the AI patch when people abused queuing as a raid to take advantage of the randoms that used IMS for gear. Why does it even matter if someone in +9 rolls on it anyways, it's still being used for something, Gear Enchanting, like feedstock was but only in a way that benefits newer people only.
It also doesn't matter if you have no reason to que those dungeons, some still do anyways due to how easy it is to do. Not everyone that even has VM+15 even got it from RMHM and can't even clear it either.
What part of "more likely" confused you? What this patch did is, it removed people like my from the IM queue. It left all the people who'd roll on the gear regardless of their use for it and removed a bunch of people who'd only roll on gear if it were called as fodder(and sometimes not even then). Even if we were 1% of the IM pool, that's still less people in it who'd pass on gear. But, yeah, sure, it was a great idea.
Remove the callout, no matter how bad this person may be.
Some people have this attitude (I do sometimes myself), where I roll on gear when I think people don't deserve it (ie being a complete floormat, not even having complete proper crystals, using Fireball on sorc, losing aggro to me as a tank even though I specifically secretly switched my gear into Idoneal (yes it happened before lol).
I won't say it is a completely bad move if it serves to teach a lesson to those who think they deserve the gear by facetanking (especailly considering he is a healer class), but if it was like a no-death and a decently speed run (undergeared people have slower runs but that is okay if people don't wipe and roughly know how to play their class in general), there is no reason for anyone to take your gear when it is worth nothing. (seriously, Guile crates can't be put into the bank, they have to be OPENED, and even in the case of Armor I cease to find a reason to take it away from others for alts when I can do so when everyone is geared)
Some people have this attitude (I do sometimes myself), where I roll on gear when I think people don't deserve it (ie being a complete floormat, not even having complete proper crystals, using Fireball on sorc, losing aggro to me as a tank even though I specifically secretly switched my gear into Idoneal (yes it happened before lol).
I won't say it is a completely bad move if it serves to teach a lesson to those who think they deserve the gear by facetanking (especailly considering he is a healer class), but if it was like a no-death and a decently speed run (undergeared people have slower runs but that is okay if people don't wipe and roughly know how to play their class in general), there is no reason for anyone to take your gear when it is worth nothing. (seriously, Guile crates can't be put into the bank, they have to be OPENED, and even in the case of Armor I cease to find a reason to take it away from others for alts when I can do so when everyone is geared)
you can get ban for put names in posts
"Callout/Call-out"
Definition...
Urban dictionary: To challenge someone in some way. Or to put someone on blast.
Merriam-webster: The act or an instance of calling out. An often bordered inset in a printed article or illustration that usually includes a key excerpt or detail.
Did I mention(write/type) a name in my post? And as per image posted, I was only showing the rude behavior. If there was violation, an admin will message me anyway. I appreciate the criticism though...
I guess everyone's a critique. Well, have at it.
And yes, I've read the rules... I know... I think...
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/17/forum-rules-guidelines#latest
Definition...
Urban dictionary: To challenge someone in some way. Or to put someone on blast.
Merriam-webster: The act or an instance of calling out. An often bordered inset in a printed article or illustration that usually includes a key excerpt or detail.
Did I mention(write/type) a name in my post? And as per image posted, I was only showing the rude behavior. If there was violation, an admin will message me anyway. I appreciate the criticism though...
I guess everyone's a critique. Well, have at it.
And yes, I've read the rules... I know... I think...
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/17/forum-rules-guidelines#latest
and? why do you complain?
Ekaterina001 wrote: »"Callout/Call-out"
Definition...
Urban dictionary: To challenge someone in some way. Or to put someone on blast.
Merriam-webster: The act or an instance of calling out. An often bordered inset in a printed article or illustration that usually includes a key excerpt or detail.
Did I mention(write/type) a name in my post? And as per image posted, I was only showing the rude behavior. If there was violation, an admin will message me anyway. I appreciate the criticism though...
I guess everyone's a critique. Well, have at it.
And yes, I've read the rules... I know... I think...
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/17/forum-rules-guidelines#latest
You showed the name in the picture doing something bad, it is enough to call it a call out.
You may not realise it but that is why people are told to censor the names out.
This post is a trap for toxic pp in the comunity.
Just look at the answers from several individuals here.
Just look at the answers from several individuals here.
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/profile/comments/139/ElinUsagiThis post is a trap for toxic pp in the comunity.
Just look at the answers from several individuals here.
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/profile/comments/139/ElinUsagiThis post is a trap for toxic pp in the comunity.
Just look at the answers from several individuals here.
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/profile/comments/4703/metagame
An example, have you read what you answer to other pp?.
Remove the callout, no matter how bad this person may be.
Some people have this attitude (I do sometimes myself), where I roll on gear when I think people don't deserve it (ie being a complete floormat, not even having complete proper crystals, using Fireball on sorc, losing aggro to me as a tank even though I specifically secretly switched my gear into Idoneal (yes it happened before lol).
I won't say it is a completely bad move if it serves to teach a lesson to those who think they deserve the gear by facetanking (especailly considering he is a healer class), but if it was like a no-death and a decently speed run (undergeared people have slower runs but that is okay if people don't wipe and roughly know how to play their class in general), there is no reason for anyone to take your gear when it is worth nothing. (seriously, Guile crates can't be put into the bank, they have to be OPENED, and even in the case of Armor I cease to find a reason to take it away from others for alts when I can do so when everyone is geared)
You as a person have no rights to decide who deserves gear or not. you're just being a self-righteous [filtered].
Yeah ppl do that, He Eka btw 
If from CH, we hunt them down 
If from CH, we hunt them down Monochromia wrote: »Remove the callout, no matter how bad this person may be.
Some people have this attitude (I do sometimes myself), where I roll on gear when I think people don't deserve it (ie being a complete floormat, not even having complete proper crystals, using Fireball on sorc, losing aggro to me as a tank even though I specifically secretly switched my gear into Idoneal (yes it happened before lol).
I won't say it is a completely bad move if it serves to teach a lesson to those who think they deserve the gear by facetanking (especailly considering he is a healer class), but if it was like a no-death and a decently speed run (undergeared people have slower runs but that is okay if people don't wipe and roughly know how to play their class in general), there is no reason for anyone to take your gear when it is worth nothing. (seriously, Guile crates can't be put into the bank, they have to be OPENED, and even in the case of Armor I cease to find a reason to take it away from others for alts when I can do so when everyone is geared)
You as a person have no rights to decide who deserves gear or not. you're just being a self-righteous [filtered].
It may sound as harsh, but it is a good way to snap them back to reality.
I am not talking about those that use subpar rotations that are below the optmal route, because at least they are trying. The above examples I have mentioned are perfect examples of someone putting absolutely zero effort in learning how to play the game. Even as a person I drop the gear despite needing it if I feel I need to improve on my mechanical skill. It is way more fun than going up the gear ladder. Have done this since Schisma was midtier.
But yes, I rather look like a bad guy and roll on other people's gear if I feel they don't deserve the gear, than let them have the gear, and continue to be bad and get kicked more without realising what they have done wrong. At least they get more chances to improve before jumping into end-game and doing less dps than a healer (that is probably unlikely but you get the point)
Gear is already this easy to get, making a little harder for them isn't too bad.
You can blame BHS and their moronic decision to remove dismantling from the game.
Not sure how that makes sense since now you have 0 reason as a geared person to roll on gear other than for alts, or to be a [filtered], which eventually get geared. Before, you would always roll on the gear even if all your characters were geared meaning you had less chances of gearing in pugs. Just because a handful of people roll on the gear for no reason doesn't change that.
Who do you think is more likely to pass on an item/48 or less? The guy in full vm8 +15 or the guy in +9 guile? And which one of them do you think has no reason to queue for LK NM and stuff any more?
People in VM+15 were still rolling on gear for the feedstock. Lets not pretend everyone that is loaded mostly got there by being generous. Currently if they go there, they have little to no reason to roll on the gear other than to troll, or an alt as I said. Bring back the fact gear gives feedstock and they would roll whether someone needs it or not. There was frequent complaints during the AI patch when people abused queuing as a raid to take advantage of the randoms that used IMS for gear. Why does it even matter if someone in +9 rolls on it anyways, it's still being used for something, Gear Enchanting, like feedstock was but only in a way that benefits newer people only.
It also doesn't matter if you have no reason to que those dungeons, some still do anyways due to how easy it is to do. Not everyone that even has VM+15 even got it from RMHM and can't even clear it either.
What part of "more likely" confused you? What this patch did is, it removed people like my from the IM queue. It left all the people who'd roll on the gear regardless of their use for it and removed a bunch of people who'd only roll on gear if it were called as fodder(and sometimes not even then). Even if we were 1% of the IM pool, that's still less people in it who'd pass on gear. But, yeah, sure, it was a great idea.
Yes, they would pass NOW, since it gives 0 feedstock, they would not pass if it did disenchant to feedstock, which is my point. Why would they IMS and pass the gear for nothing, they could do that now if they wanted to, but they don't want to. They only went for the feedstock, so, those people not using IMS was not a loss unless you could out roll them. As I said, lets not pretend rich people are actually generous, they don't want to carry people and pass up on free feed stock. The issue isn't even disenchanting being gone anyways, just they didn't put in a substitute, such as the temporary event from the past that could've been lowered and added permanently.
my other alts is still in full Slaughter gears but never rolls on Guile 
You can blame BHS and their moronic decision to remove dismantling from the game.
Not sure how that makes sense since now you have 0 reason as a geared person to roll on gear other than for alts, or to be a [filtered], which eventually get geared. Before, you would always roll on the gear even if all your characters were geared meaning you had less chances of gearing in pugs. Just because a handful of people roll on the gear for no reason doesn't change that.
Who do you think is more likely to pass on an item/48 or less? The guy in full vm8 +15 or the guy in +9 guile? And which one of them do you think has no reason to queue for LK NM and stuff any more?
People in VM+15 were still rolling on gear for the feedstock. Lets not pretend everyone that is loaded mostly got there by being generous. Currently if they go there, they have little to no reason to roll on the gear other than to troll, or an alt as I said. Bring back the fact gear gives feedstock and they would roll whether someone needs it or not. There was frequent complaints during the AI patch when people abused queuing as a raid to take advantage of the randoms that used IMS for gear. Why does it even matter if someone in +9 rolls on it anyways, it's still being used for something, Gear Enchanting, like feedstock was but only in a way that benefits newer people only.
It also doesn't matter if you have no reason to que those dungeons, some still do anyways due to how easy it is to do. Not everyone that even has VM+15 even got it from RMHM and can't even clear it either.
What part of "more likely" confused you? What this patch did is, it removed people like my from the IM queue. It left all the people who'd roll on the gear regardless of their use for it and removed a bunch of people who'd only roll on gear if it were called as fodder(and sometimes not even then). Even if we were 1% of the IM pool, that's still less people in it who'd pass on gear. But, yeah, sure, it was a great idea.
Yes, they would pass NOW, since it gives 0 feedstock, they would not pass if it did disenchant to feedstock, which is my point. Why would they IMS and pass the gear for nothing, they could do that now if they wanted to, but they don't want to. They only went for the feedstock, so, those people not using IMS was not a loss unless you could out roll them. As I said, lets not pretend rich people are actually generous, they don't want to carry people and pass up on free feed stock. The issue isn't even disenchanting being gone anyways, just they didn't put in a substitute, such as the temporary event from the past that could've been lowered and added permanently.
How about we don't pretend rich people have a hive-mind and all think and act the same? In this context, you have 3 types of rich people. The altruistic ones who queue just to help(or out of boredom). The donkeyhats who queue and roll on everything. And the middle ground who queue and roll on items that are called as feedstock and pass on items that someone needs to equip. The first type are still IMingand passing, the second type are still IMing and rolling, the third type...we have no reason to queue. And maybe it's just a "birds of a feather" situation but most rich people I know fall into that 3rd category.
PS: When all the AI issues were going on, I geared a char in two days by IMing it all by myself. It was exceptionally easy to get stuff when you got placed with a 9man party. All you had to do was not be greedy.
"remove callouts" "call outs are against the rules" boo hoo. put these people on blast. players like this should be made public so we can all avoid them. it's like you guys are the sjw's of tera.
What a pathetic way to justify your own toxic behavior.
The gaming community is toxic because of people like you. You make it very difficult for new players to like TERA and stay. Like the other guy said, you are just a self-righteous [filtered].
1. You have no way of knowing whether people are putting absolutely zero effort based on these. A new player could easily do the things you described above. Don't give me craps like "I was never like that when I first started" or "They should've read a guide". Everyone's different - we all have a different learning curve and we have different expectations of how we learn new dungeons.I roll on gear when I think people don't deserve it (ie being a complete floormat, not even having complete proper crystals, using Fireball on sorc, losing aggro to me as a tank even though I specifically secretly switched my gear into Idoneal (yes it happened before lol).
2. If that's what you want to do, then do it. But, who the [filtered] are you to decide how other players get their gear?Even as a person I drop the gear despite needing it if I feel I need to improve on my mechanical skill. It is way more fun than going up the gear ladder. Have done this since Schisma was midtier.
3. How is rolling on their gear going to help them improve in any way? Do you actually tell them in Chat that you are rolling on their gear even if you don't need it so they will learn the lesson? If you don't, then they don't learn. All they can think is that you are a rude [filtered] for stealing the gear. Oh wait a minute, you can TEACH them WITHOUT rolling on their gear! Holy [filtered]! You don't look like a bad guy - you are a bad guy.But yes, I rather look like a bad guy and roll on other people's gear if I feel they don't deserve the gear, than let them have the gear, and continue to be bad and get kicked more without realising what they have done wrong. At least they get more chances to improve before jumping into end-game and doing less dps than a healer
4. Wow, just speechless. I really pray that I never meet someone like you in IMS.Gear is already this easy to get, making a little harder for them isn't too bad.
The gaming community is toxic because of people like you. You make it very difficult for new players to like TERA and stay. Like the other guy said, you are just a self-righteous [filtered].
unfortunately, your justification does not make your reasoning anymore sound than it was previously (which was little). When we start acting as judge, jury, and executioner we do nothing more than make people more likely to commit the same act against someone else, whether they performed poorly or not.
It doesn't matter how you feel, how bad the person is, or any other factor. unless you're a raid leader of a guild, or a static you don't choose who gets what. Keep your self-imposed rules to yourself. It's fine if you think you're less than stellar and want to hold off on that piece of gear but holding back others because you want to place your unneeded judgement upon them isn't cool at all.
You holding back gear for that one run will do nothing in the long run as eventually they will get that piece and move on.
It doesn't matter how you feel, how bad the person is, or any other factor. unless you're a raid leader of a guild, or a static you don't choose who gets what. Keep your self-imposed rules to yourself. It's fine if you think you're less than stellar and want to hold off on that piece of gear but holding back others because you want to place your unneeded judgement upon them isn't cool at all.
You holding back gear for that one run will do nothing in the long run as eventually they will get that piece and move on.
The gaming community is toxic because of people like you. You make it very difficult for new players to like TERA and stay. Like the other guy said, you are just a self-righteous [filtered].
I alreayde told the same several months ago, the same pp who cries about this game losing players are the very same who help to get rid of new players.
EME make bad decisions about the game but in-game we have pp who speed up the death of this game.
How about we don't pretend rich people have a hive-mind and all think and act the same? In this context, you have 3 types of rich people. The altruistic ones who queue just to help(or out of boredom). The donkeyhats who queue and roll on everything. And the middle ground who queue and roll on items that are called as feedstock and pass on items that someone needs to equip. The first type are still IMingand passing, the second type are still IMing and rolling, the third type...we have no reason to queue. And maybe it's just a "birds of a feather" situation but most rich people I know fall into that 3rd category.
PS: When all the AI issues were going on, I geared a char in two days by IMing it all by myself. It was exceptionally easy to get stuff when you got placed with a 9man party. All you had to do was not be greedy.
You know, it makes no sense to say most rich people were fine with passing gear to help others, which means they got 0 feedstock from the run and now they have 0 reason to run it. People who do IMS it usually need to gear anyways, so remind me again why it matters the gear gives feedstock or not if you were passing on them anyways? You got 0 when you passed back then other than the IMS rewards, and now you get 0 and 0 IMS rewards. So lets not forget the IMS rewards back then giving you feedstock anyways where as now you get absolutely 0. Absolutely nothing changed for people who pass gear, the only thing that changed were for those who rolled on them for the feedstock. Anyone who legitimately want to help already continue to do so.
How about we don't pretend rich people have a hive-mind and all think and act the same? In this context, you have 3 types of rich people. The altruistic ones who queue just to help(or out of boredom). The donkeyhats who queue and roll on everything. And the middle ground who queue and roll on items that are called as feedstock and pass on items that someone needs to equip. The first type are still IMingand passing, the second type are still IMing and rolling, the third type...we have no reason to queue. And maybe it's just a "birds of a feather" situation but most rich people I know fall into that 3rd category.
PS: When all the AI issues were going on, I geared a char in two days by IMing it all by myself. It was exceptionally easy to get stuff when you got placed with a 9man party. All you had to do was not be greedy.
You know, it makes no sense to say most rich people were fine with passing gear to help others, which means they got 0 feedstock from the run and now they have 0 reason to run it. People who do IMS it usually need to gear anyways, so remind me again why it matters the gear gives feedstock or not if you were passing on them anyways? You got 0 when you passed back then other than the IMS rewards, and now you get 0 and 0 IMS rewards. So lets not forget the IMS rewards back then giving you feedstock anyways where as now you get absolutely 0. Absolutely nothing changed for people who pass gear, the only thing that changed were for those who rolled on them for the feedstock. Anyone who legitimately want to help already continue to do so.
How hard is this to understand that you require it explained 4 times already.... THREE types of rich players:
1. Always pass on everything and just wants to help: no change
2. Always rolls on everything: no change
3. Only passes on items that others need to equip, rolls for fodder: THIS type got a change. Since there is no more fodder, we have no reason to queue as even items that nobody needs can no longer be used as fodder.
I can't figure out if you don't know any rich players, you never queued for a dungeon or you just aren't reading my posts as you continue to ask the same stupid question.
Just to be on the safe side, here's an example:
I queue for a dungeon and get in. 1 guy needs leather gloves, 1 guy needs chest. Before: I can roll on, maybe win and use as feedstock all non-leather gloves, all boots and all weapons. Now: I can't use any of those items. Do you see the difference now?!
i don't cry about being entitled to "muh perfect server" thoughhttps://forums.enmasse.com/tera/profile/comments/4703/metagame
An example, have you read what you answer to other pp?.
First time posting a topic here and it's a riot. Keep at it. 
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How hard is this to understand that you require it explained 4 times already.... THREE types of rich players:
1. Always pass on everything and just wants to help: no change
2. Always rolls on everything: no change
3. Only passes on items that others need to equip, rolls for fodder: THIS type got a change. Since there is no more fodder, we have no reason to queue as even items that nobody needs can no longer be used as fodder.
but #3 is the obvious minority, adding back baseline feedstock to drops might bring some of #3 into the Ques but it'd also bring a lot more #2 because "hey free feedstock." and makes it so more people will turn into #2's
example: person gets their guilie set, guess what dungeons their already running and what gear their still going to be rolling on to get that guilie gear fully enchanted? and in the process block however many people from getting their guilie gear because they want that extra 20 feedstock.
simply saying "I want X back because it benefited me and my kind" doesn't mean it's good for the community as a whole.
How hard is this to understand that you require it explained 4 times already.... THREE types of rich players:
1. Always pass on everything and just wants to help: no change
2. Always rolls on everything: no change
3. Only passes on items that others need to equip, rolls for fodder: THIS type got a change. Since there is no more fodder, we have no reason to queue as even items that nobody needs can no longer be used as fodder.
but #3 is the obvious minority, adding back baseline feedstock to drops might bring some of #3 into the Ques but it'd also bring a lot more #2 because "hey free feedstock." and makes it so more people will turn into #2's
example: person gets their guilie set, guess what dungeons their already running and what gear their still going to be rolling on to get that guilie gear fully enchanted? and in the process block however many people from getting their guilie gear because they want that extra 20 feedstock.
simply saying "I want X back because it benefited me and my kind" doesn't mean it's good for the community as a whole.
How is that obvious? To me, the middle ground between two extremes is the obvious majority.
Btw, your example proves my point even more. A person who has full guile but hasn't enchanted it would have no choice but to roll on items, regardless of whether somebody else needs them or not. If dismantling were still a thing, they'd have the option to pass on the chest the other guy needs and only roll on the weapon that nobody needs.
You have yet to prove that the current situation is actually better. We already have 2 cases where the situation is worse than it used to be. And it looks like your only argument so far is that donkeyholes will magically stop being donkeyholes(which has been proven wrong by this very topic).
How hard is this to understand that you require it explained 4 times already.... THREE types of rich players:
1. Always pass on everything and just wants to help: no change
2. Always rolls on everything: no change
3. Only passes on items that others need to equip, rolls for fodder: THIS type got a change. Since there is no more fodder, we have no reason to queue as even items that nobody needs can no longer be used as fodder.
but #3 is the obvious minority, adding back baseline feedstock to drops might bring some of #3 into the Ques but it'd also bring a lot more #2 because "hey free feedstock." and makes it so more people will turn into #2's
example: person gets their guilie set, guess what dungeons their already running and what gear their still going to be rolling on to get that guilie gear fully enchanted? and in the process block however many people from getting their guilie gear because they want that extra 20 feedstock.
simply saying "I want X back because it benefited me and my kind" doesn't mean it's good for the community as a whole.
How is that obvious? To me, the middle ground between two extremes is the obvious majority.
Btw, your example proves my point even more. A person who has full guile but hasn't enchanted it would have no choice but to roll on items, regardless of whether somebody else needs them or not. If dismantling were still a thing, they'd have the option to pass on the chest the other guy needs and only roll on the weapon that nobody needs.
You have yet to prove that the current situation is actually better. We already have 2 cases where the situation is worse than it used to be. And it looks like your only argument so far is that donkeyholes will magically stop being donkeyholes(which has been proven wrong by this very topic).
example...
Ekaterina001 wrote: »
How hard is this to understand that you require it explained 4 times already.... THREE types of rich players:
1. Always pass on everything and just wants to help: no change
2. Always rolls on everything: no change
3. Only passes on items that others need to equip, rolls for fodder: THIS type got a change. Since there is no more fodder, we have no reason to queue as even items that nobody needs can no longer be used as fodder.
but #3 is the obvious minority, adding back baseline feedstock to drops might bring some of #3 into the Ques but it'd also bring a lot more #2 because "hey free feedstock." and makes it so more people will turn into #2's
example: person gets their guilie set, guess what dungeons their already running and what gear their still going to be rolling on to get that guilie gear fully enchanted? and in the process block however many people from getting their guilie gear because they want that extra 20 feedstock.
simply saying "I want X back because it benefited me and my kind" doesn't mean it's good for the community as a whole.
How is that obvious? To me, the middle ground between two extremes is the obvious majority.
Btw, your example proves my point even more. A person who has full guile but hasn't enchanted it would have no choice but to roll on items, regardless of whether somebody else needs them or not. If dismantling were still a thing, they'd have the option to pass on the chest the other guy needs and only roll on the weapon that nobody needs.
You have yet to prove that the current situation is actually better. We already have 2 cases where the situation is worse than it used to be. And it looks like your only argument so far is that donkeyholes will magically stop being donkeyholes(which has been proven wrong by this very topic).
example...
Oh, my, that guy... *shivers* What is he an example for?